Harley-Davidson Spirals Down, Announces U.S. Layoffs, Builds Factory In Thailand

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On this forum we have discussed this before regarding Harley being a one trick pony. The baby boomers that brought them success are now starting to depart. The younger generation is just not that into motorcycles let alone a large expensive Harley. Unlike most of the Japanese motorcycle companies Harley has not had any success diversifying. I don't think buying Ducati is going to be a solution for them.

"Harley-Davidson Spirals Down, Announces U.S. Layoffs, Builds Factory In Thailand

Trying to manage a structural decline in a terrible industry.

Shares of Harley-Davidson (NYSE:HOG) dropped 10% on Tuesday morning after the company reported second-quarter earnings and were down nearly 6% at the end of the day. Almost everything was bad.

Retail sales by its dealers in the US fell 9.3% in Q2, compared to a year ago, to 49,668 motorcycles. They were "down more than we anticipated," the company said. And with "soft sales across most markets," sales by its dealers globally fell 6.7%.

"Industry new motorcycle sales deterioration continued," the company said in its presentation, lamenting "weak industry sales on soft used bike prices."

In addition to the industry woes, its market share in Q2 in the US dropped 1 percentage point to 48.5%. Shipments in the quarter fell 7.2% to 81,807 and are down 10.8% year to date.

The 30-day delinquency rate on its $7.5 billion in motorcycle loans outstanding rose to 3.25% from 3.16% a year ago and from 2.7% in Q2 2015. The annualized loss experience on those loans reached 1.71%, the highest for any second quarter since 2010.

Total revenues fell 5.6% to $1.58 billion. Net income fell 7.7% to $258.9 million. And despite blowing $163.2 million on share buybacks in the quarter to lower the share count and thus prop up earnings per share, earnings per share fell 4.5% to $1.48.

Its dealer inventory is bloated, so it offered incentives on its 2016 bikes to clear them out, and that didn't help its 2017 models, but the company said bravely that it is "targeting significantly lower year-end US dealer inventory."

H-D has at least three fundamental problems. One is relatively new, and two have been with it for a few years and it cannot seem to escape them:

1) More of its customers are getting financially distressed, hence there are rising delinquencies and losses on its loan book. This issue has also raised its ugly head once again for automakers and other consumer lenders.

2) A Hog is the iconic motorcycle for baby boomers, but they don't make baby boomers anymore. The younger generations have other things to spend their money on. H-D has come out with lighter and less expensive models to appeal to the younger crowd, with some success, but not with enough success to make up for the baby boomers who're approaching the end of their riding years in ever larger numbers.

3) H-D is selling motorcycles. Motorcycle sales in the US have been a nightmare since the peak in 2005, when the industry sold nearly 1.1 million bikes of all sizes. By 2006, sales were falling. In 2008, sales plunged, bottoming out in 2010, down 60% from the peak. But unlike auto sales, motorcycles never recovered from the Great Recession."
 

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Glad I sold my stock on a high side of that cycle. Motorcycling is a rapidly declining hobby... When I look at Honda, the industry leader :rolleyes1:, trying to sell "new" motorcycles on their current website dating clear back to 2010 :eek1: (Here) it tells me the game is over. The failure of Victory, the backlog of unsold bikes, the continuing consolidation of dealers, and rapidly declining interest of whatever the "new" generation is called this week all point to a rough road ahead. I suspect most of the brands, that aren't a part of a car manufacture, or other large company, won't be here in ten years. And those that are will be a shadow of themselves, after all who needs a motorcycle to commute when an autonomous Uber car will haul me around in air conditioned comfort...while I play my motorcycle video game. :rolleyes1:

The interesting thing I see is that the RV industry came out of the recession with a huge increase in sales. This year will be another record for sales and manufacturing. The industry has the similar age issues (not quite as bad), is generally much more expensive than motorcycling, has seen industry consolidation down to two major players that own +80% of the RV manufacturing base, and requires a decent credit score to get financed. What is the RV industry doing that the motorcycle industry failed to pick up on? No foreign invasion issues either... There are darn few non-USA RV's available due to shipping costs and it being a heavily North American hobby that doesn't have much of a non-USA manufacturing base as far as volume. Warren Buffet is on that game as well (As well as invested in H-D) as he owns Forest River, one of the two big boys, and it makes him a ton of money.

Disclaimer: I have to admit the money I used to spend on new motorcycles now goes in to the RV market as it is much more enjoyable for me now.
 
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Glad I sold my stock on a high side of that cycle. Motorcycling is a rapidly declining hobby... When I look at Honda, the industry leader :rolleyes1:, trying to sell "new" motorcycles on their current website dating clear back to 2010 :eek1: (Here) it tells me the game is over. The failure of Victory, the backlog of unsold bikes, the continuing consolidation of dealers, and rapidly declining interest of whatever the "new" generation is called this week all point to a rough road ahead. I suspect most of the brands, that aren't a part of a car manufacture, or other large company, won't be here in ten years. And those that are will be a shadow of themselves, after all who needs a motorcycle to commute when an autonomous Uber car will haul me around in air conditioned comfort...while I play my motorcycle video game. :rolleyes1:

The interesting thing I see is that the RV industry came out of the recession with a huge increase in sales. This year will be another record for sales and manufacturing. The industry has the similar age issues (not quite as bad), is generally much more expensive than motorcycling, has seen industry consolidation down to two major players that own +80% of the RV manufacturing base, and requires a decent credit score to get financed. What is the RV industry doing that the motorcycle industry failed to pick up on? No foreign invasion issues either... There are darn few non-USA RV's available due to shipping costs and it being a heavily North American hobby that doesn't have much of a non-USA manufacturing base as far as volume. Warren Buffet is on that game as well (As well as invested in H-D) as he owns Forest River, one of the two big boys, and it makes him a ton of money.

Disclaimer: I have to admit the money I used to spend on new motorcycles now goes in to the RV market as it is much more enjoyable for me now.
Wayne: I agree more or less with your analysis as it pertains to the US market, however the world motorcycle market is doing just fine, thank you and is very likely to continue to grow. Unfortunately, only the very rich overseas can afford a HD and their export sales are small potatoes compared to what they are here in the US. It may sound harsh, but I think many of our young people are too damned lazy to take up motorcycling as a sport. They would much rather lay around watching the tube and playing with their phones.

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I think the heyday of motorcycles is past. They are certainly not dead but the signs are there. I have been hooked on them too long to stop now but I don't see enough of the younger generation interested to have the growth the past had.
A lot has changed. When I was in my teens we used dirt bikes to get around and there were various off road places open to ride. Harder to do today. I also saw huge changes in the bikes as motocross became popular over here.
It will be interesting to see what changes in HD and the motorcycle industry come in the future. Get your crystal balls out start predicting the future.

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[...I think many of our young people are too damned lazy to take up motorcycling as a sport. They would much rather lay around watching the tube and playing with their phones...Mike]

Agree completely. The boomers going away, day by day, is not good for a company that essentially put all its eggs in one basket. I've only seen one of the new H-D 500/750s and it belongs to a riding pal but other than that, they're non-existent in our area. His is a 500 and he said the dealership gave him a fantastic deal. The 500 only exists because H-D uses them in their rider training program, to replace the truly-terrible Buell Blasts.

Many of the mega-dealers who invested heavily in glitzy buildings, often along a freeway frontage road for best visibility, may soon find it difficult to make ends meet. There is an H-D shop alongside I-70 near Springfield OH and when I passed there a few days ago, they had a big sign out front. "ALL 2017 models at sale prices!" Fortunately, for that shop it's been there for 15+ years and the building and land is modest. Several other H-D shops in my area are owned by business groups who bought them during a previous downturn as investments.

People have been predicting the demise of The Motor Company for decades and it has yet to happen so I'll wait.
 
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I'm putting my money in Walkers.... I have a feeling they will be the next big Baby Boomer thing...
 

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I'm putting my money in Walkers.... I have a feeling they will be the next big Baby Boomer thing...
Nope, hot rodded electric scooters...:eek1: Extra deep cell batteries, rims and tires, fiberglass body, and custom seats...any other option "depends" on the customer...:rolleyes1:

Or the little jewel in the attached video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKVeQT0Vuow

The lazy cell phone using, video game playing, punks are gonna be road kill when I get mine...:cool: :rofl1:
 

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When the 500 / 750 came out the only ones around were at the H-D dealer who runs a Riders Edge training program. The running joke was that now the Sportster owners would finally have someone to look down on. :rolleyes1: I still haven't seen a 500 or 750 on the road...
 

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I've seen one of the 500s on the road regularly here in Greeley. The bigger Harleys outnumber everything else here in Greeley by a factor of about 10-to-1. There are quite a few sportbikes and a few BMWs and KTMs. There used to be another member of the Forum (Jeff Smith) who I'd see occasionally but haven't seen in over a year.
 
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Without meaning to offend anyone:

Here in Oz (at least within the groups that I know) we say that in a group ride the Harleys go first and the Tail-End-Charlie rides a Honda.
That is so that there is someone reliable to pick up the HD parts as they vibrate off.

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[...I'm putting my money in Walkers...Mellow]

But will H-D's Screaming Eagle accessories have loud pipes for the walkers? :)

In ref to seeing more H-Ds on the road, I agree. When you sell the greatest percentage of bike in the over 800 cc category for decades, you're bound to see lots of Harleys on the road - at least between towns & cities. When I rode to Hyder AK in 2006 & 2007 to attend Hyder Seek, I rarely saw any H-Ds.
 
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Do you think the USA is the only county that says 'Buy from our county'. With tariffs, shipping etc. I sure it makes since. Look at the companies that are using China motors in their machines. Look at Ford going to make the Focus in China and import to good old USA. Companies are people after all (SCOTUS), your going to find the best for yourself and your bottom line. Till the cell phone are put in a RAM mount, motorcycles will see a shrinking market in counties like Europe and USA. Every where you look you see bicycle lanes, laws to give 3-5ft margin (which really are ineffective). Little is done for motorcycles, and with cars coming with where you can sit and play with your phone and go places: motorcycles manufactures are going to be fighting for riders. I keep telling people then when I too old to drive I'll get my my car and say take me to store, sit back and watch an old movie with on of those obsolete 2 wheel things. Of course by then they will have special roads just for bicycles.
I scheduled a ride in a Slingshot, (I get $20, any one can just call), so maybe some day that will be a computer driving it too.
 
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