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After two months of daily transfering antifreeze from the overflow bottle back to the radiator in my wifes beater 2015 Forester, Subaru released its new Gen 7 Outback and my wife and I drove two. I took a dog crate out of my 2018 Forester and put it into the Gen 7. Which has a flat floor and more room. Boom. Done.
My wife is actually reading the owners manueals. It says to never put the light duty spare on the front. I assume as this will fool with the steering. I have never had to use my subaru light duty spares. I am sold afteer my summer flat experience on the FJR and now trying the new multiple sized screw in tire plugs, coupled with the new hand held air pumps that can be run with battery or clip lead power.
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a brief description of how the Subaru "below 20 mph X mode get out of the ditch" system works. After watching youtubes of cars climbing muddy rutted hills. I am impressed.
"VDC System
With X-MODE in use, the Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC) system provides enhanced Limited-Slip Differential (LSD) control. X-MODE enhances VDC and its limited-slip differential (LSD): when a wheel slips, brake is applied only to that wheel, shifting power to those with grip."

The whole of the VDC system uses engine torque management, gear ratio control and the ABS/Traction controls to keep the car moving, or get it to move in low traction situations regardless of what is causing the low traction. As long as one wheel is getting good traction it increases the possibility for movement, even if the other 3 have low traction.

Torque from the engine and trans moves through the center diff and to the front diff to pull the car. Torque transfer to the rear is phased in as the car moves by applying clutch pressure to the center diff. The clutch pressure is applied in phase as needed and allows for slip when the car is turning.

When a front wheel loses traction, the brake is applied to the low traction wheel, the center diff clutch gets higher pressure that locks the diff to apply more torque to the rear wheels, the engine torque management reduces torque output at the same time to help stop the slip. All rhis is done inside of seconds.

On the flip, if a rear wheel loses traction, braking is applied to that wheel, engine torque reduced, center diff locked to help provide torque to the opposing rear wheel with traction and the front diff continues to apply torque to the front wheels.

Other factors that came into play is the steering wheel direction, speed sensors, vehicle position sensors and fluid temperatures.

There is a plethora of traction loss possibilities and different degrees of traction loss. The system works so fast that there will be times you won't even know it's working; like in snow, ice, wet roads, etc. It's a combination of several systems on the car and since the drive system is symmetrical, the torque transfer from the trans, through the center diff and the front and rear diffs is equal to all wheels. This is what makes Subaru's system superior over others. Unlike a 4X4 where you have one axle shaft shorter than the other and the drivetrain has an offset from center. The length of a shaft determines the torque transfer and the longer the shaft the more torque you lose. And with systems like Ford uses in all of their brands, you can spin one wheel and the opposing wheel isn't getting torque, or the front won't get enough torque. This is because the diffs won't lock, the braking system is not responding, or it's just because Ford sucks. Dodge isn't much different. GM has a good aystem. BMW and MB are close to what Subaru has, but not quite.
 
The system works so fast that there will be times you won't even know it's working; like in snow, ice, wet roads, etc. It's a combination of several systems on the car and since the drive system is symmetrical, the torque transfer from the trans, through the center diff and the front and rear diffs is equal to all wheels. This is what makes Subaru's system superior over others...
... but bears the question if such a car maintains drive-ability if even only one of those fancy sensors acts up... 🤔

I like simply, direct vehicles with no gadgets...
My trusty '96 FWD Toyota is merciless when it comes to informing me about odd road conditions... you simply cannot ignore that jerk on the steering wheel, instantly alarming you about an icy patch on the tarmac there... hence you act accordingly...
Not so on all those modern alphabet-soup vehicles with 10,000 bells and whistles added... you step on the accelerator and feel exactly: nothing...
except the impression that the vehicle seems a tad lame today... but only if you're an attentive, competent driver...
Yeah, drove a descendant of my '96 Carina E for a while, the T25 Avensis with full ESP package... gave me lots of grieve on snowy, curvy roads...
With FWD I am used to "steer" a car by controlling the engine power... aim, 2nd gear, put the foot down and it pulls through corners and snowdrifts...
Nah! Not with an ESP aboard that turns the car into a bucking bronco, displaying a dashboard light-show of refusal at every obstacle, literally stalling the engine upon getting pushed forward, sending that Avensis helplessly adrift and dead in the water on the snow covered roads...
Thankfully the thing went into "failure mode" after the 3rd backsweep and shut down... letting me do the driving again...
 
... but bears the question if such a car maintains drive-ability if even only one of those fancy sensors acts up... 🤔

I like simply, direct vehicles with no gadgets...
My trusty '96 FWD Toyota is merciless when it comes to informing me about odd road conditions... you simply cannot ignore that jerk on the steering wheel, instantly alarming you about an icy patch on the tarmac there... hence you act accordingly...
Not so on all those modern alphabet-soup vehicles with 10,000 bells and whistles added... you step on the accelerator and feel exactly: nothing...
except the impression that the vehicle seems a tad lame today... but only if you're an attentive, competent driver...
Yeah, drove a descendant of my '96 Carina E for a while, the T25 Avensis with full ESP package... gave me lots of grieve on snowy, curvy roads...
With FWD I am used to "steer" a car by controlling the engine power... aim, 2nd gear, put the foot down and it pulls through corners and snowdrifts...
Nah! Not with an ESP aboard that turns the car into a bucking bronco, displaying a dashboard light-show of refusal at every obstacle, literally stalling the engine upon getting pushed forward, sending that Avensis helplessly adrift and dead in the water on the snow covered roads...
Thankfully the thing went into "failure mode" after the 3rd backsweep and shut down... letting me do the driving again...
I was one of those people that said the Prius would never work. All those cold starts would ruin the engine...all those sensors and computers and batteries would fail. Better to drive a 1991 Isuzu Trooper, (which I still miss). Or a 1962 Ford Falcon. And anti lock brakes? Forget about it. Direcct fuel injection and VTEC? Disaster.
Yet, after putting a million plus miles on Subarus, Toyotas, Hondas, and taking cars to 250,000 miles, I am eating my words. The first time you back out of a parking space at Walmart and your car warns you of an idiot driving by too fast, or a kid or homeless person trying to walk behind you, or the blind spot detection system warning you of a lead footed lane hopper zooming by you, you will pat yourself on the back. Anti lock brakes and collision avoidance systems work and are reliable to my minds eye. Having said all of that, it is spooky to have your car watch your head and see if there is any proof of life and if not, pulling itself over to the side of the road and stopping. And I am still not sold on air bags
 
Anti lock brakes and collision avoidance systems work...
My trusty '96 Toyota has ABS (and I've PDC added), but I can count on one hand how often it was required to kick on...
Obviously is the direct feedback steering & suspension keeping you so alerted, that you hardly get yourself into the embarrassment of having to rely on it to correct your very own foolishness and lack of foresight...
(my '00 ST1100Y also doesn't have ABS, and the one in ze GF's NT700VA hasn't kicked in on her even once...)

Any my experience on collision avoidance system? 🤔
Lemme share the encounter I had with that brand new VW T6 panel van:
Winter morning, me driving it for about a week now, still that cavity-wax "new car smell" aroma...
Odd weather, sleet, me taking it very carefully, new engine still not broken in, etc...
Rolling in 4th, I approach a roundabout, not traffic, I gently put it into 3rd, intending to roll through the intersection...

CRRRANCK!!!

that darn van seized right on the spot, engine off, full light show in the dash...

By those wild symptoms, I'd expected engine or gearbox did grenade, drive shaft sheared off, anything...
hopped out, looked under the car, nothing suspicious...
carefully put it into neutral, reset the ignition, depressed the clutch pedal, engine fires... <phew!>

In my opinion some sleet must have collected on the grille and forward edge of the hood...
And during the gentle(!) deceleration a lump dropped onto the stupid LIDAR sensor, causing the system to go on strike...

It was the last day I'd left that system on, ever... and its a PITA that it always resets back to ON upon next start,
such "user incapacitation" is absolutely unnerving...

Similar negative results when attempting to use the cruise control in named VW T6...
Every time it sees a trailer wiggle just oh so slightly in the first lane half a mile ahead, that van in the adjacent 2nd lane slammed on the brakes... useless...

IMO are all those added "features" just sales merits (to make people feel superior over other people they don't even like),
and means to justify higher costs so the clientele continues to get poorer with every new model...
(yeah, a mechanically properly designed independent suspension system is more cost intensive to design and produce,
as a primitive torsion beam axle and some electronic to compensate its flaws...)
Not to mention how the people let themself bamboozled into acting even more ignorant by the false sense of "security" all the alphabet-soup emits, instead of maintaining attentive, competent state of driving skills...
Your example of backing out a spot in the mall parking proves it; without even attempting to look (or care) they're just pulling out now, to go fully ballistic over the fact that there is another vehicle behind...
 
My trusty '96 Toyota has ABS (and I've PDC added), but I can count on one hand how often it was required to kick on...
Obviously is the direct feedback steering & suspension keeping you so alerted, that you hardly get yourself into the embarrassment of having to rely on it to correct your very own foolishness and lack of foresight...
(my '00 ST1100Y also doesn't have ABS, and the one in ze GF's NT700VA hasn't kicked in on her even once...)

Any my experience on collision avoidance system? 🤔
Lemme share the encounter I had with that brand new VW T6 panel van:
Winter morning, me driving it for about a week now, still that cavity-wax "new car smell" aroma...
Odd weather, sleet, me taking it very carefully, new engine still not broken in, etc...
Rolling in 4th, I approach a roundabout, not traffic, I gently put it into 3rd, intending to roll through the intersection...

CRRRANCK!!!

that darn van seized right on the spot, engine off, full light show in the dash...

By those wild symptoms, I'd expected engine or gearbox did grenade, drive shaft sheared off, anything...
hopped out, looked under the car, nothing suspicious...
carefully put it into neutral, reset the ignition, depressed the clutch pedal, engine fires... <phew!>

In my opinion some sleet must have collected on the grille and forward edge of the hood...
And during the gentle(!) deceleration a lump dropped onto the stupid LIDAR sensor, causing the system to go on strike...

It was the last day I'd left that system on, ever... and its a PITA that it always resets back to ON upon next start,
such "user incapacitation" is absolutely unnerving...

Similar negative results when attempting to use the cruise control in named VW T6...
Every time it sees a trailer wiggle just oh so slightly in the first lane half a mile ahead, that van in the adjacent 2nd lane slammed on the brakes... useless...

IMO are all those added "features" just sales merits (to make people feel superior over other people they don't even like),
and means to justify higher costs so the clientele continues to get poorer with every new model...
(yeah, a mechanically properly designed independent suspension system is more cost intensive to design and produce,
as a primitive torsion beam axle and some electronic to compensate its flaws...)
Not to mention how the people let themself bamboozled into acting even more ignorant by the false sense of "security" all the alphabet-soup emits, instead of maintaining attentive, competent state of driving skills...
Your example of backing out a spot in the mall parking proves it; without even attempting to look (or care) they're just pulling out now, to go fully ballistic over the fact that there is another vehicle behind...
Sorry. Shouldnt laugh. I defy you or anyone to back out of a parking space at Walmart and be able to see to the left and right till at least half the car is out of the spot. Especially in the land of big suvs and pickup trucks. You are at the mercy of those driving behind you. I am in the habit of doing one of two things. One, using pull through spaces. two, like they taught us at the state patrol academy, to back into a spot if need be. Long ago, when people had manners and cared about others and didnt do drugs and alchohol 24/7. People would drive sanely through parking lots. Now some do have speed bumps, but the people dont care. Our Walmart is full of people living out of their cars as they are "unhoused"
What is this clutch thing you speak of? Wait...I have an antique car with one..... in the US, the CVTs get better milage than the sticks. Engineers tell me they HATE sticks....its much easier to control milage and emissions with computers.....Hey, I still like sticks, but at my age, you loose the use of one foot or arm and you cant drive...
By the way, why would anyone buy a VW?
ABS is great for testing road ice and stopping in the shortest time (you still have to leave following distance) I remember a commerical from the last century where a well known race car driver attempted to stop a car with the ABS disabled on a slick surface, while his wife and daughter in an identical car (she was in high heals) driving an identical car with ABS, outstopped him.
I am a believer. Living in hilly country, land of ice fog and snow, I was going down a known bad hill and the ABS let me know things were slick, so I put on my four way flashers and put one set of wheels off to the side in the gravel and the other two cars behind me left following distance and put on THEIR four way flashers. BTW, every big aircraft out there uses ABS.
 
I’m an old fart - admittedly. But I’m continually confused by new vehicles and the lack of standardization of the controls. Other than the steering wheel, gas pedal, and brake pedal (ignoring the clutch pedal and foot starter) there is little consistency these days.

For instance I drive my Subaru Forester most of the time and my F150 sometimes. So when I’m driving the Scubie and wish to shift the transmission I sometimes try the lever on the right side of the steering wheel which is correct for the truck but I end up turning on the windshield wipers on the car. Conversely when driving the truck and attempting to turn on my headlights I get the windshield wipers. And so on…….

Can anyone read those tiny heirglyphic symbols on controls (especially on the lower part of the dashboard)??? Much less know what the mean???? At night??? I tend to ignore them. As long as I’m going down the road at my intended speed and direction I figure I don’t need them anyway. I’ve owned my Subaru for over a year now and have never used the rear windshield wiper. I just don’t take my eyes off the road long enough to figure out how to turn it on while driving. When I’m not driving I don’t need them. And I’m accustomed to using my side mirrors. Just yesterday I had to stop my truck while plowing snow to figure out how to turn on my mirror defroster.

I won’t divulge any stories about driving my wife’s Honda CRV which is different than either of the vehicles above. 🤔
 
I defy you or anyone to back out of a parking space at Walmart and be able to see to the left and right till at least half the car is out of the spot. Especially in the land of big suvs and pickup trucks. You are at the mercy of those driving behind you.
Which is why I'm backing into parking spots... always... for safety... in many trades and industry even mandatory...
You can't see $h!t out the sides of panel vans which I was driving since I'd gotten my license... and I maintain the same with my Toyota wagon and my GF's sedan, for the very same safety reasons...
What is this clutch thing you speak of? Wait...I have an antique car with one..... in the US, the CVTs get better milage than the sticks. Engineers tell me they HATE sticks....its much easier to control milage and emissions with computers...
Ever tried to "storm-boat" an automatic out of knee deep snow... nah, cause you'd damage the AT quickly flicking it from D to R and back... ;)
GF has an automatic, Skoda Octavia, Diesel... combined with the typical lush VAG suspension about as "sporty" as a fishing trawler... :rolleyes:
I mean that car is literally afraid of corners, like entrance/exit ramps, roundabouts... with an acceleration like mud uphill...
My manual, 1.8ltr gasoline Toyota with full IDS OTOH drives like on rails whilst almost begging you to floor it through corners...
By the way, why would anyone buy a VW?
Not my idea, the company did... (the previous Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro AKA Nissan Primastar had a way more spacious payload compartment whilst featuring a shorter body, hence easier to find parking spaces)
IMO are VW's horribly overpriced... anything after their air-cooled flat-4 sucks...
ABS is great for testing road ice and stopping in the shortest time (you still have to leave following distance) I remember a commerical from the last century where a well known race car driver attempted to stop a car with the ABS disabled on a slick surface, while his wife and daughter in an identical car (she was in high heals) driving an identical car with ABS, outstopped him.
Don't object on ABS (except on snow or wet soil where it gets really scary when that vehicle just won't slow down at all, but actually getting faster & faster...), I just rarely rely on it...
And on bikes: during motorcycle safety trainings I always outstopped the ABS-II/CBS on my non ABS ST1100...
 
Which is why I'm backing into parking spots... always... for safety... in many trades and industry even mandatory...
You can't see $h!t out the sides of panel vans which I was driving since I'd gotten my license... and I maintain the same with my Toyota wagon and my GF's sedan, for the very same safety reasons...

Ever tried to "storm-boat" an automatic out of knee deep snow... nah, cause you'd damage the AT quickly flicking it from D to R and back... ;)
GF has an automatic, Skoda Octavia, Diesel... combined with the typical lush VAG suspension about as "sporty" as a fishing trawler... :rolleyes:
I mean that car is literally afraid of corners, like entrance/exit ramps, roundabouts... with an acceleration like mud uphill...
My manual, 1.8ltr gasoline Toyota with full IDS OTOH drives like on rails whilst almost begging you to floor it through corners...

Not my idea, the company did... (the previous Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro AKA Nissan Primastar had a way more spacious payload compartment whilst featuring a shorter body, hence easier to find parking spaces)
IMO are VW's horribly overpriced... anything after their air-cooled flat-4 sucks...

Don't object on ABS (except on snow or wet soil where it gets really scary when that vehicle just won't slow down at all, but actually getting faster & faster...), I just rarely rely on it...
And on bikes: during motorcycle safety trainings I always outstopped the ABS-II/CBS on my non ABS ST1100...
Correct. Fed Ex even has a rat out system if you dont back into parking spaces. They know how many parking spots will cause collisions if you have to back out. Sadly, most drivers have the intellect of an egg plant here. The main thing is to save the kid chasing the ball. The other main thing in the eyes of insurance companies and Subaru is to decrease the number of backing collisions.
Dont know what storm boating is but Subaru has X mode. It only works at slow speed but you push a button and there are clutches at each wheel so to speak, as well as the center differential,
as well as limited slip. Uphill. Down hill, backing down. subaru x mode.jpg

I have never had to use it as the standard AWD is good but want to play with it if we ever get snow. In days of one wheel drive cars/trucks and then two wheel drive cars/trucks, I did use the stick to rock the car to get out of a situation. I have seen American 4WD pickups turning all four wheels and going nowhere in Montana wet clay. I am too old and too wise to drive into moving water or 2 ft of snow. I am so old that my country is 250 years old and I have been around for 30 percent of those years.
 
Dont know what storm boating...
Well, you're snowed in front and rear (maybe even additionally packed by a snowplow), its piling beyond bumper height...
So you start "rocking" the car: 1 inch forward and up the snowdrift, 2 inches back and up on the rear, now 3 inches forward, then 5 inches back...
After a while you've pushed away enough snow to clear a couple of feet, enough space to gain speed thus momentum to break free through the packed snow and drive out of this mess...
Easily done with a manual gearbox, attempting similar on an automatic by frequently flicking it from D to R and back is risky...
 
Subaru has X mode. It only works at slow speed but you push a button and there are clutches at each wheel so to speak, as well as the
I used mine twice now. The first time I was in a snow drift which was pretty hard packed. I was the first one down that road that AM so there was no tracks to indicate the depth of the snow. I simply drove too far into too much snow. Couldn’t back out and needed a tow from a 4x4 truck

But the second time I was going to an event where the parking was on top of a hill up a 2-track trail off road. It had rained a lot overnight. Event organizers instructed folks with cars not to attempt going up the hill. I tried the X mode and drove up the hill. It was sketchy but doable. That day there were 30 trucks up there and 2 cars (both Subarus). The rest of the cars and a few trucks parked at the bottom. It works.
 
Yes sir! X-Mode definitely works. If you can't get where you are going in X-Mode, you have no business out in the first place.

Mike
 
Oh hell, just floor it. Kick that rev limiter in. Spin those tires. Heat 'em up so they melt the snow which will flash freeze and turn to ice. That's how college kids do it. You know . . . the ones with the superior intellect.
 
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