just a final comment on washing the jacket. The Velcro strap at the collar was very dirty and I had a spot on the front, possible food stain, that didn't come out in the wash. Wife suggested using dish soap and a old tooth brush....I got a cup of warm water, dabbed some dish detergent directly on the stained areas and scrubbed with the wet tooth brush, rinsing the brush frequently, after several minutes I could see that the grime was being lifted into the soap...tossed the jacket and my riding pants back into the wash...they look great. Pads are back in, ready to use.