Is heat coming off the bike a thing like on the STs?

The big complaint of the Silver Wing was, it was gutless. Well, Honda did at least address THAT.

My associate pastor when I bought the GL650i had owned a GL500i for a couple of years in the '80s. He and his wife did some 2-up touring. When he and I were working together he had a GL1200. After I had looked at and ridden the '83 Silverwing, I asked him to come look at before I talked to my banker. We went out and I asked him if he wanted to ride an he suggested that I drive it and he'd ride pillion. We probably rode about 60-70 miles, both on the few twisties near Ft Morgan and on Interstate 76. When we got back he told me that he was amazed at how much punch the 650 had compared to the 500. I bought it the next day.

When Jim and I rode together, I could stay right with him up to 75 mph. Then I'd start to lag behind. My GL650 would top out at 94mph. I have to say that the previous owner had put the absolute largest windscreen you could find for the '83 Goldwing or Silverwing in the whole world (from JC Whitney). I smoked a pipe then and I never tried it, but I was always convinced that I could have loaded, lit, and smoked the pipe while moving at almost any speed! It wasn't acceleration or speed that pushed me into buying my first Concours. I was riding from Crawford to Gunnison on CO-92 (one of the great rides in Colorado) and kept wishing I had better brakes and a stiffer frame. I could feel the frame flex in tighter turns. And I realized that a little more power wouldn't be too bad either. As I rode on east, I passed a couple waiting to pull of a gas station on two mint-green '96 BMW R1100-RTs. They were sight-seeing and they'd stop to look at something, I'd pass them and they'd pass me right back. By the time I took a different route just south of Colorado Springs, they'd passed me 19 or 20 times. That's what made me want a sports-touring bike. A few months later I bought my first Concours. I'm guessing that a big chunk of those issues with brakes and frame on the Silverwing had a lot to do with curb weight.
 
Carl, I believe that if it had had a stock windshield, my GL650 probably would have gotten to 100 on level ground without a headwind.
 
I would recommend that everyone should steer clear of the ST1300.

I was looking at the NT700V back in 2010 when it came out here in the US. I first saw it as a Mini-ST. I figured I did not need it as I had the ST at the time.

Looking back at this moment. I should've traded in the ST for the NT at that time and never looked back.


It sucks your ST had issues, but I feel like this is somewhat unfair representation of both bikes. I'm sure there are plenty of ST owners out there who have had relatively smooth experiences. As well as plenty of NT owners who have had headaches.

The NT isn't all rainbows and sunshine. First there was the spark plug cap service bulletin. Pannier latches busting and lids either flying open or staying locked shut on rides. Reinforcing the catches on the lids with epoxy isn't something the consumer should have to do. I personally am not a huge fan of the windshield adjustment mechanism as the detents aren't the most secure, especially with a larger windshield like a Vstream fitted. On the most recent ride heading into the winds of the southwest the windshield actually started lowering itself at speed. At a stop for gas I just set it all the way down and it stayed there until a return east days later. The glove box covers, rear fender, lower radiator shroud, tail cap, and side panels will all sun bleach. Want to keep a NT looking nice, don't take it out of the garage. Then there's TP sensor "issues". This is a common enough problem discussed on the web from plenty of owners. How many throttle body assemblies have been swapped out potentially unnecessarily? I had to deal with digging into that engine light code within just days of buying a NT with only 8K on the odometer.
 
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The Colorado PD had Harleys and Kawasakis (the old one that was an air-cooled four IIRC). Then they bought ST1300s. They kept them 3 or 4 yrs and then went to BMWs. I was at the dealer that serviced the STs once and there seven of them in the shop, plus 3 more in the parking lot. I have no idea what that was about.

I talked to a CHP officer once in Ft Morgan when the Ride to the Wall group was stopped for lunch at the Elks Club across the street from the church. He was doing escort duty to the Nebraska border on a BMW. He told me that most of the CHP motocops preferred the BMW but that the decision on which to ride was based to fairly large extent on which manufacturer would cover the biggest percentage of maintenance cost.
 
For a long, long time, PDs and State Patrols favored H-Ds because the resale value was so high but I think that ended a few years back with the glut of used, unsold H-Ds on the market.
 
The ST: I didn't have the issues Brillo had, but then I sold mine with 10,000 miles - and put on in a short time, eight months. I CAN say that the police department here used ST1300s, and then gave them up. As I mentioned, mine was the demonstrator loaned to the PD for that contract. It wasn't a police bike but it was ride-evaluated by supervisors in the Motors unit, and then returned. Since it wasn't ABS and didn't have the police package, it wasn't included in their purchase. I got it, "new" with 800 miles on it, heavily discounted.

Well, there's a significant difference from 8 months when compared to 8 years as bigger things tend to show up. The first major issue showed up after having the bike for 10 months at 43k on the odometer. The MAP sensor was the first in a series of issues to occur.
 
Off topic! Bruce, I sent you a text message about four hours ago asking if I could give you a call. I don't need it now. I'm still trying to work out the installation of the Clearwaters and I just found a manual that they should have sent with the lights. I think I get it now. Thanks anyway. :cool:
 
On the topic of the triangle lights...

Works for motorcycles, too. I'm considering something similar, since...traffic has gone absolutely bananas. Each year it gets worse. More lights won't make me accident-proof, but anything that might prevent individual incidents, shouldn't be dismissed.

Not to sidetrack from the subject too much, but for what it's worth my night riding comfort level and night vision has GREATLY improved after adding a set of Denali lights at the forks on either side of the wheels. Other riders see me more clearly and notice me more, and I'm told the same when following someone's car. I consider this the greatest safety add-on investment I could have put on the bike. After that would be the Denali Soundbomb 2-tone horn (I can actually get a driver's attention at highway speeds sometimes with that thing - such as when someone starts to move into your lane w/o seeing you right next to them.) After a screw in my rear tire on one group ride, I got was a pair of FoboBike air-pressure bluetooth sensors that work with my smartphone and Sena headset to send an audio alert in the event of gradual or rapid air loss. It's all works well.
 
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I've been using the "Triangle of Light" for about 8 years. I filter through city traffic everyday and they work very well indeed. Mine are mounted under the tipover wings
 
Frankly, the NT is about as reliable as a motorcycle can be. It helps that the design has evolved over the years from its earlier versions, especially the tried and true engine.

As Brillot said, the removal of the body panels is not that difficult, once you've done it a couple times.
 
As Brillot said, the removal of the body panels is not that difficult, once you've done it a couple times.

Yeah, it really isn't that hard to do, it's just fiddly. My old fingers work not so good anymore on fiddly stuff. Tearing into the Tupperware requires several days to psych myself up.

Mike
 
Yeah, it really isn't that hard to do, it's just fiddly. My old fingers work not so good anymore on fiddly stuff. Tearing into the Tupperware requires several days to psych myself up.

Mike

Make that (at least) two of us!
 
Driving lights on the tipover wings work fine. Just don't tip over and slide.
Keep the rubber side down.

Brad
 
I don't see any danger of the underside tip-over wing mounted lights dragging the pavement while cornering. I think that would be my first choice of mounting locations should I ever suddenly acquire the ambition to install 'em.

Mike
 
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