UK to possibly ban some ICE motorcycles starting in 2035?

[DirtFlier]

The UK Puts a Date on the Death of Combustion Engine Bikes

The end of the UK-made internal combustion bike isn’t here, but it’s just over the horizon.

www.cycleworld.com

The prefecture of Tokyo, which includes that mega-city, already passed a law around two years ago to ban ICE vehicles by 2035 which has caused all the Japanese auto makers to speed development of practical electric cars. Ostensibly for those same reasons, Honda ended its full-time involvement in Formula 1 in 2021 with most of the engineers being moved to electric vehicle development but they will continue to supply engines to Red Bull Racing until 2025 thanks to a freezing of the engine specs. Strangely, the engines are NOT badged as "Honda" although fully from Honda Racing in Japan.

 

[Brillot2000]

I would consider another electric motorcycle again. However, "NEVER" a Zero Motorcycles model again. I turned my back in 2017 as a manufacturer buy-back, and I never looked back or at their offerings since. The LiveWire offerings do not entirely convince me if this is an option I should be looking at now.

When the time comes, I am not looking for an electric cruiser or coach rocket when I do.

I am planning to be around until I am 90 years old. I guess I will have to switch back to electric in the next ten years or so.

 

[mikesim]

I think that the switchover to the EV by government edict is a huge and costly mistake. There are too many pitfalls regarding EV's that have yet to be resolved for the government to set a date certain for adoption. History has shown that letting the "market" adopt new technology will be the most efficient and least costly approach

 

[George S.]

I think that the switchover to the EV by government edict is a huge and costly mistake. There are too many pitfalls regarding EV's that have yet to be resolved for the government to set a date certain for adoption. History has shown that letting the "market" adopt new technology will be the most efficient and least costly approach

Mike, I am very suspicious of the big oil industry and all the hundreds of billions of $$$ at their disposal that they wouldn’t somehow try to sabotage the move toward EVs. Sometimes we have to set a goal that seems far fetched in order to spur industry to get moving to solve the problems to achieve that goal. Without JFK’s setting of the goal to land on the the moon, there was no way it would have otherwise been done in under a decade. Necessity IS the mother of invention.

 

[Mellow]

Hybrids made more sense.. as they are a transition and compromise.

 

[ARKNT]

I am going to miss motors. Then again I may be gone before it actually happens.
Nothing against electric but it ain't the same.

Arknt

 

[NoNTnow]

Hybrids made more sense.. as they are a transition and compromise.

I agree. We've been driving hybrids for years and they are a great compromise. I'm not interested in any EV with a real range of less than 200 miles. And when you consider running the A/C constantly here in Georgia that cripples the advertised range.

My current hybrid is a 2021 Ford F-150 Super Crew Lariat 3.5L PowerBoost. Not the same league as my old C-Max but it beats the heck out of my previous F-150's with the 5.0L Coyote V-8 (16MPG average) or the standard 3.5L EcoBoost (19MPG average). And with 430 horsepower and 570 lb.-ft. of torque it can get out of its own way. Plus it easily pulls our 5,000 pound travel trailer. I've taken a couple photos to show what a 5,500 pound hybrid is capable of...

First, the eco truck:

Next the Trip 2 minder which has never been reset since Day One. That is 24.2MPG overall.

And last one of my 30MPG jaunts on mostly four lane divided highway at 50MPH. Yes, the truck will go up to 50MPH+ in Hybrid Mode before the ICE kicks in.

It is not uncommon to show a Miles To Empty of over 700 miles when I fill up.

EDIT I forgot to mention it has the 7.2Kw generator built in as well. I sold my Honda genset as I no longer need it.

 

[Chucksklrst]

My son has one of those Fords, a 2022 model. Nice truck but I can not get my mind around the price and what he paid for his.

 

[NoNTnow]

Nice truck but I can not get my mind around the price and what he paid for his.

I like to tell the kids I'm spending their inheritence. That FX4 package on his probably killed him up in your neck of the woods. Now dealers, or more accurately stealers, are asking anywhere from $5-15K over sticker for PowerBoosts around here.

 

[ST1100Y]

I think that the switchover to the EV by government edict is a huge and costly mistake.

They all want only our best... our money...
It's the biggest marketing campaign in history... going global...
We're all supposed to rush and buy new stuff... do it right now, this minute...
EV's, PV shingles, throw the furnance/boilers out and buy heat-pumps, get LED's for the entire house, wrap it in thick styrophoam plates, install new, 3-glass layer windows, with outside shutters of course, replace all your appliences in da house while at it, get new flat screen TVs, computers, etc, etc...

How much energy does it require to produce all this new stuff... how much on emissions and pollution does it cause... best kept secret...

 

[NoNTnow]

Before you buy an EV "follow" the power cord and see where and more importantly how the electricity to charge it is generated. You don't want to be like this:

 

[George S.]

Before you buy an EV "follow" the power cord and see where and more importantly how the electricity to charge it is generated. You don't want to be like this:

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That’s misleading. From 2010 to 2019, in the U. S. 290 coal burning powerplants have closed which represented 40% of our coal burning. I’d like to say that environmental concerns drove the closures, but it in reality was cheaper (and cleaner) prices of natural gas, much due to fracking.

 

[Chucksklrst]

But the extremists want to ban fracking and all fossil fuel production and burning. They want all Electrical production to be wind mills and solar panels. Not sure how windmills and solar are going to provide the amount of power needed to run the steel mills to make the windmills and the mining of rare earth metals to make the solar panels / batteries, to be able to meet the needs of 350 million consumers in this country. Not to mention the rest of the world. Fortunately or unfortunately I won't be around to witness the outcome.

 

[George S.]

We shall see. I’m sure horse riders couldn’t understand how all these, noisy, dirty expensive automobiles were going to be the future. How would they be manufactured and maintained, that hay and oats were plentiful and how would we pump all the oil needed to power and lubricate them? But we certainly found a way past all those doubts. Progress is going to march on, and sometimes right over the doubters.

 

[mikesim]

We shall see. I’m sure horse riders couldn’t understand how all these, noisy, dirty expensive automobiles were going to be the future. How would they be manufactured and maintained, that hay and oats were plentiful and how would we pump all the oil needed to power and lubricate them? But we certainly found a way past all those doubts. Progress is going to march on, and sometimes right over the doubters.

The big difference in your analogy though is that the switchover to the ICE from the horse was not done as a result of a government diktat. The market responded to available technology and the customers wishes and a smooth transition was realized. That is a far, far cry from what the government is attempting to do now. Chuck is not saying that progress shouldn't happen, rather he is saying that wishful thinking will not overcome economic reality.

Mike

 

[George S.]

My point was kinda that no one can say what the reality will be in 10 - 15 years. It all may work out. No one can say they know for sure it won’t.

 

[ARKNT]

The only thing I can say for sure about the future is that things will change and be different. Some I will like and some not so much.
Trying to say in detail what will happen or when does not work.

Also be careful where you are getting your info from. Depending on who is talking it is likely to have their own "spin" on it. I find it a bit difficult to verify information. The internet should make it easy but it doesn't really work that way in the real world.

Arknt

 

[mikesim]

My point was kinda that no one can say what the reality will be in 10 - 15 years. It all may work out. No one can say they know for sure it won’t.

Agreed, I too have no doubt that it will all work out. The problem is the timetable. For the government to declare a date certain at which ICE vehicles will no longer be sold is pure folly without providing a certain source for powering their replacement. Therein lies the problem. Unless fossil fuels are factored into production of energy there is simply not enough "green" energy sources to provide power for the switchover by the date certain. There are not enough wind turbines, solar panels, etc. in place or planned to supply the necessary power. Nuclear is a possibility, but you can't throw up a nuclear power generation facility over night. The vehicle companies can't switch production from ICE to EV at the flip of a switch. Fossil fuel companies will not invest in new production unless they see a return on investment down the road. If the pipe dream of EV's by a date certain don't pan out as planned and fossil fuel companies have not invested in new production, then what? There are just too many uncertainties to put all of our eggs in the EV basket without having a "plan B",

Mike

 

[George S.]

Agreed, I too have no doubt that it will all work out. The problem is the timetable. For the government to declare a date certain at which ICE vehicles will no longer be sold is pure folly without providing a certain source for powering their replacement. Therein lies the problem. Unless fossil fuels are factored into production of energy there is simply not enough "green" energy sources to provide power for the switchover by the date certain. There are not enough wind turbines, solar panels, etc. in place or planned to supply the necessary power. Nuclear is a possibility, but you can't throw up a nuclear power generation facility over night. The vehicle companies can't switch production from ICE to EV at the flip of a switch. Fossil fuel companies will not invest in new production unless they see a return on investment down the road. If the pipe dream of EV's by a date certain don't pan out as planned and fossil fuel companies have not invested in new production, then what? There are just too many uncertainties to put all of our eggs in the EV basket without having a "plan B",

Mike

Mike, as you mentioned, things don’t happen overnight or at the flip of a switch. I see a switchover date more as a goal that’s been set and not a hard date that’s gonna happen, ready or not. Of course, they'll know what the power grid requirements will be and other factors like production capabilities, etc, and if it’s looking like they can’t be met by any stated date that date will be pushed ahead. But it’s gonna happen.

 

[dnktng]

We shall see. I’m sure horse riders couldn’t understand how all these, noisy, dirty expensive automobiles were going to be the future. How would they be manufactured and maintained, that hay and oats were plentiful and how would we pump all the oil needed to power and lubricate them? But we certainly found a way past all those doubts. Progress is going to march on, and sometimes right over the doubters.

It's still hard to believe that the world and US Government had to ban horses to save the planet get people to switch to better technology. Progress marches on!!